i live in sw pa ,i moved here four years ago, the first year i ran into the same sorta problem ,the thing was is i had permission ,and the group runnning the deer with quads and giving me a hard time didn' t ! needless to say they don' t hunt there anymore ! it' s sad but true thats why i thinking of bowhunting only again, i gave it a second chance and i' m not real happy with the results of the kind of a holes there are out there![:' (]