As many of you know, I shoot the precision rifle dead center bullet for deer (220 grain bullet, 80 grains 777). This bullet resurrected my ML career. So, I'm overly fond of it. Yes, these bullets tend to cost right around $1 each if not a little more. BUT!!!!, look what precision rifle has going on now...they have their "extreme elite" hollow point bullets with sabots on sale for $6 per dozen. The weights are 240, 260, 300, 330 and 360 grains. I emailed Cecil and here is what he said about the extreme elites "Check out the $6 per dozen button for the Extreme Elites. The .45 EE are basically a DC without the polymer tip while the .40 EE are a steeper ogive". I can tell you all from personal experience these are all lead bullets, they expand incredibly well, they penetrate really well and I've shot them through shoulders and they hold together. So, if you are worried about their toughness, don't be. If you've ever had trouble with expansion (my problem with 300 grain XTP's and the old 303 Remington JHP ML bullets) then give these bullets a try. You will be amazed. Hereis apic of a couple ofbullets I've recovered from deer I've shot. The one on the left was about a 30-40 yd shot, the one on the right was right underneath me, through the spine. Both held together with no problems. The pics are of their dead center bullets but I would expect the same performance with the extreme elites. ENJOY!