It was a funny thing after we got back to my Ranch , I have some thick woods 20 yards off the Deck on the one side. We walked in and paced off 30 yards and I folded a QuakerBoy turkey target and stapled it to the back side of the tree leveing the whole head/neck and upper body showing and asked if he could see that much of the bird. He told me he could see more of the live bird for sure! so I went back to the target ,,pulled it off and moved it closer to the trunk, and walked back to the shooting mark and said what about that ! he said NO I would not shoot at that at all ,,, so I said you going too right now .... He sat down , sighted and shot ---- 17 shots in the Head/Neck on tha target after the shot. The poor guy was almost crying and me /// well you all know me [:-]...BT