i fully understand the money thing but as far as a .410 for deer it is not legal in new york as for the bow argument an arrow has a razor edge and keeps on cutting even after it stops in the deer but a soft lead slug from a small shotgun like the .410 just expands and stops not very lethal unless very close range but you need to look around the used gun shops and pawn shops the last 20 gauge i bought i paid 58 dollars for and that was a three shot repeater singles will be cheap