Saw a video about 15 or 20 years ago. Had a fantastic, how to judge elk segment in it. It was by Jay and Jeff Ulmer (I think). I Think they were from NM or AZ or somewhere down there. See if you can do a search and find them boys. I am quite good at judging elk. It comes from hundreds of elk field judged killed and scored. They really did a great job with all the tips needed to help a beginner get the right thing going.