Yeah those guys have no choice but to make shots that far off, out in the open like they are and few trees. The owner of a local archery shop here in Auburn hunts out west a lot, he has an antelope on the wall that he shot in the front of the neck facing towards him at 80 yards. I'd have to use my "yonder" pin for that one! Less than 40 for me, preferably less than 30!