OK, here goes. Charlie...here is a (*), thought you may be jealous that pain got one.
For the Record:

I have never liked the January Season.
I have never liked Game Tags.
I don' t like T-tags
I am not a fan of leasing, but if it is not my ground I have nothing legally to say.
It looks like that leasing may be the only way for me to safely continue hunting.
I do not think you can manage a population without knowing the population or the characteristics of the herd.
A State Agency has a duty to carry out it' s responsibilities charged to it by the Legislature by the Kansas Statutes. That duty is to the People of the State of Kansas.


I respect Trebarkers admonishment to me of posting the pic. His is the only admonishment I will accept. There is a story to the pic. I am 42 and that was my first buck this year as I have only been hunting for 8 years. I have harvested does on a primary permit every year. That is the Picture and reality of my trophy. (Inside spread 15" ) This year we decided to try another spot, by canoeing across water to inaccessible areas, we were overrun by multitudes of hunters, all with two way radios hunting deer like pheasants. We then went back to the old spot, and contended with tresspassers, an airplane, and a powered glider (all which were reported to KDWP officials) spotting and driving deer on private and public ground. Never heard another thing about that. Then I saw that white glint, followed it waited and shot. Great hit. I had finally gotten a buck...you remember how excited you were about coming up on your first buck? I got there and turned him over and was sick. It made no difference what caused the wound, the celebration was tainted and I lost a lot of meat. This is within 5 days on Public ground.

I am now considering leasing ground because of this set of conditions. I don' t want to do this and it is not by far a choice I like. We will try different public land next year, but if it is not better somewhere else, that' s it I M leasing. This is what is driving the leasing pressure and it is a self fulfilling prophecy spiraling to inevitability (that means a sure thing).

Tired of all of this and the rock throwing and name calling. I know we are not going to agree on everything, but there are issues that are going to have to be addressed together and you are going to see some concessions are in order. You also forgot one thing with your ardent posts....this is not bowsite, there are almost 500 hits on this thread, the majority of readers are probably pro-centerfire, so you may want to re-examine my posts which are not anti-hunting, anti bowhunting, or about taking the business of KDWP from the agency. You may also want to see how aggressive your anti gun and slob rifle hunters and orange men statements are probably not winning you brownie points here. OOOPS. Go to the KS Legislature pages and look up the Statutes of KDWP. Statutes take legal precedence over the Agency and commission regulations. Travis go take a look and then re-read my posts...you will find the argument I am making is to get back to proper management practices, agency responsibility, and legal basis issues, not to take it away from the agency. I will try to use smaller words for you in the future.

As for the picture all hunters in the urban areas should consider safety first. Any one who is hunting in this area using (fill in the blank) should burn that picture and crystalize it in their minds. In that Unit 19 there will multitudes of peta people out there with video and in all probability harassing hunters. If it was tasteless, let' s get something positive out of it by using it as something we all need to avoid. If there are any animals bleeding or wounded in public all are going to pay the pay the price. If you want centerfire hunters to stand with you while you pull down the population in the city and surburban areas, and back you up if we do have something happen like that in the picture, you had better watch what you are saying here and on bowsite about those same centerfire hunters.

I will be starting another thread on this site for some of the hunting issues we need to address...together. As I said and as your responses are taken, we are not going to agree on quite a few items, but we may make some headway on Population, management, and land acqusition. On bowsite, many of you stated you need to get working together with all hunters on topical issues To do this you are going to have to start accepting some alternative views than you currently have. As I said, re-read my posts above and reflect a little on them. There will be more later stay tuned....and please, respond, debate, and agree to disagree. No one is the self appointed keeper of the truth nor are they the sole voice for the hunters, we are many and multitudes.

Oh, and Travis...If a tag is a tag is a tag December or January, what would be the diff in Oct or Nov.???????