i like them. i've used the 150 grainers in my .308 and the 130 grainers in my .270's. i typically hunt in Georgia, so the deer aren't as large as most northern deer. i've gottenpass throughs at close range even when i hit the shoulders with both cartridges. except for one doe i shot with the .308 at 65 yards that was heavily quarting towards me. my .308 has a 20 inch barrel, and i was only loading 44 grains of varget. so i wasn't getting full velocity out of the .308. i hit her high in the left shoulder and the bullet came out of her right rib cage between the last two ribs. but, was still under the hide. needless to say, she didn't go far. but, it definitely destroyed the left shoulder.after cleaning the bullet it weighed 110.5 grains without core or jacket seperation. i feel that it's a good bullet for the money and i'll continue to useit unless i start to have issues with their performance.