Thnx Kelly. Well, you know the deal, I may never see any of these guys after the MD season opens. After a few years of doing some managing on the properties, and after years of trail camera evaluations on the same properties, Ive definately noticed the older bucks dont mingle much with the younger bucks or in large social hang out areas even inearly summer.And Ive seen some cool stuff every year around this time on my cameras, the older bucks arealreadyby themselvesand seem to do drive bys occassionaly showing themselves just to do a quick last minute herd check, maybe sizing up the competition? Dont know, but all season I wont see the big boys very often, and right around now I get a few pics of them right before they seem to dissapear, rarely showing themselves in daylight until the rut.