I take back about liking the 8125. Only tried one time and that was on my bow. But even with twisting it up about 25 times more tonight (on top of about 40 twists already in it) it stretched 1/2" . Granted this was a little less then a year old string but it had less then 300 shots on it. Already put the 450 Plus back on. Also went back to the 62 braid. The halo may be good but my release seems to not like it.