rybo, my old truglo had .029 pins(well it said thats what they were but they seem larger than that to my eyes!) and no extension. my Viper has a 6" extension and .010 pins...just a MUCH refined sight opposed to what the truglo offered...overkill for hunting? probably. worried about the .010s for hunting actually, but im going to take it in the woods at dusk and see if its a problem...if it is i will order a .019 for my first and maybe 2nd pin...no NEED for .010 pins and a 6" extension on a pure hunting bow....but im an accuracy freak. same reason i practiced at 40 and 50 and 60yds last year...

i just feel that if i had the truglo on right now, after only shooting 8-10 times since i left in the spring(really quit shooting before turkey season) that my 30yd groups would be worse...i havent shot anything over 20 since last bow season..we moved to a new house in nov last year and i could only get 20yds from the backyard till the other day i started lugging the target into the woods....so i havent shot 30 in about a year and im already slammin them in there pretty good....just think i owe some of that to the sight