RE: 270
Ok as a former wal*mart sporting goods employee ( part time job ) I would agree to stay away from the pkg deal unless buying one without the scope is gonna leave you without a scope do to your funds. That being said I would buy the weatherby vangard , probablly the most gun for the money , and the .270 is an excellent choice of anything the avg. guy is gonna hunt . As for a scope I would buy a leapould 3x9 vari x 2 , again a lot of scope for the money. well there is my .2 cents worth lol