I bought a new 808 every other year for abot 8 years,because they were"cheaper"than an ams retriever. I wish i had all that money back and the lost arrows as well. They work fine if you bowfish twice a summer, but for heavy use theAMS is the way to go. Every 808 ive owned went south on me. And when they screw up they screw up. I have been using ams for the second or third year now and have yet to get hit in the face with a shaft that the reel failed to release the line after i pushed the button. IMO there is no other reelworth owning besides an AMS. Safteyshould be paramount and the 808 is not the safest option.