Your right Jimmy, Muzzy are bad to the bone! But once you start shooting rockets and the deer go 15yrds or drop were they stand it`s hard to go back.If any of you haye seen the rocket videos,You change your mind, the test they did blow away all others.Miind are not noisey,and fly just like my field tips.It`s amazing the size of the intery hole and exit hole.And if you make a bad shot you could track it with one eye closed.