Rick it's no use trying to explain. I have explained til Im blue in the face.They just don't understand the dynamics of dog hunting in Va unless you live here. It has become a major problem and the dog owners will not budge on it. Bigg Birrd. myself, swampcollie have all tried. You guys that don't live here and especially here in South east Va, do not understand how many dog clubs there are. Tons of them I think Sussex co has over 250 clubs alone, that is one county !!!!