Here is just my 2 cents on this. As a new hunterI decided to go with the Savage.I looked at the packages and was about to get one of them but could not find one in town that was not in the camo.I really did not care that they had a crappy scope becauseI figured if it lasted me through one season that is all it really had to do.They can be replaced people.I ended up chosing the 114 American classic.The reason thatI did this was because it fit my budget and the store i bought it from had what i was looking for.