thanks for all the input about the scopes i asked about. weaver or simmons aetec. i finally ordered a remington 700 sps varmit rifle and a leupold VX-1 4x12x40 scope. hopefully it will come in soon at the cabelas store in W. Va. they gave me the best price on both the rifle and scope. cant wait to start busting groundhogs with it. again thanks.