Jeff, I'll be really honest about this. After using my LW for some time now, I could have you stand 20yrds away from me, and I'll set up my stand and start climbing, and you won't hear me. The reason I can say this is because I actually pulled this off with a doe (I kept an eye on her)about that distance away. She was behind some brush, but still was that close.I can also put my stand together in the dark as well. That's how simple it is. Honestly.