thanx dave....i cant do that without a press [:@] maybe i'll use the clamp to get it close and take er to the shop to paper tune and see if he will be kind enough to press it for me...guy is real nice and seems to know his stuff...id let him do it, but i like the satisfaction of getting it done myself...lol...its a guy thing i guess? i just find that i learn alot and am learning to be less dependant on a shop by doing my own tinkering...when i "settle down" i plan to be completely dependant and not need a shop unless im buying a new bow....