Well everyone is entitled to their own opinion. And mine is I wouldn't buy a Remington rifle today unless it was made at least 10 years ago or came from the custom shop. I agree the scope onthe package dealsisn't worth the room it takes up but the the fact is that I have purchased 5 Savage rifles in the past 2 years and each and every one of them are good to excellent shooters. So Mr. Loony, unless you have experience with a Savage rifles, don't knock them.