THe dealer has a Winchester 25 12 Ga. My first thought was it was a model 12, thats why I picked it up. I dont know much about the 25 and cant seem to find much online. I did find one person say it is a model 12 with out the takedown. On gunbroker they seem to sell for half the Model 12s from 350-600. The shop wants $140. Seems like a good deal but i can't find any info on the gun. Any advice??? Anyone know why if they are a 12-takedown, no one mentions them on collectors websites?