We were shooting from my wife's uncle's deer box blind out to an open field. Those are the guns he chose (I prefer bows), although after telling him that I wanted to get either a 22lr or 17hmr for varmits and squirrels, he emailed my wife and told her he went out and bought a 17hmr and got one at 165yards and loved the gun. So Ill probablybe buying a 17hmr to mess around with once we move to Ohio in a couple months.