I hope I didn't give the wrong impression....because I KNOW they work.

I grunted in a P&Y caliber buck from over 100yds in PA.......and got him to 22yds. I know it works. Rob's herd dynamics are DRASTICALLY different than mine, also.

I have experimented with them, here, to no avail. Like I said.....my reasoning is (putting my deer hat on).....WHY would I leave a bunch of ladies I already have......for th e"possibility" of a tussle over one someone else already (seemingly) has?

I dunno.....I may be swayed to change my tactics.....and a piece of new land may do that. I just didn't want anyone to think I felt they were useless. I know better.