i agree zrexpilot, the hornadys have great penetration. I was hunting with a friend once and the plan was that i would film and he would do the shooting. well, the day before the hunt, his rifles firing pin malfunctioned and he asked to use my .243, which was of courseloaded with hornadys.just before dark, a nice eight point came trotting out. my buddy had been holding out for something bigger, but season was ending soon and he still hadn't gotten his buck, so he decided to take him. at 210 yards he nailed him behind the shoulder, and the deer didn't make it thirty yards before piling up. the exit hole was huge, and he had poured blood during the short distance he ran. that day, i made a believer of my friend, and now he won't shoot anything but hornady bullets. i also got some greatfootage