When I got home I called 2 of them they were like Ohh I dont want to be a jerk and cause problems, Which they still had not done anything illegal yet because they stopped right outside the posted ground they were turning to go down the trail that leads them onto it 5 more yards and trespassers they would have been. the owner there went to jail for shooting at trespassers once. the posted stuff is Simingtons ground and the stuff right next to it is the piece thats not posted but its not open to the public either. which is the piece In question.

Ryan.