Thanks for the input guys, he is on my wifes hit list for this year but it took my about 2 seconds to make my mind up I would pass him given the opertunity. For the ground I hunt he is a mid to high end 3 year old so he has a free get out of the freezer pass from me this year. Living in Illinois its probably no suprise that I have several P&Y deer under my belt and the ground I hunt is pretty well managed for big bucks, but since its only my wifes second year bowhunting he better stay clear of her.