Tony and Earlyin: I don't know if it's just a regional thing, but near our camp in Clarion PA. Brow tines are not a given and many times even on more mature deer they are missing. So a big "Y" cannot be assumed to be a legal deer.

We are also a 3 point area. I think the # of points have less to do with the effectiveness of AR, than the regulation itself. No longer can you just see 3" of antler flash (like the old days) and start letting lead loose. You physically have to be able to count 3-4 tines judge them for length, and then make a shot. In the hardwoods of PA, by the time you do the above (especially in Gun season) there is not time for the shot. It's like the old 5 M-i-s-s-i-s-s-i-p-p-i rush of your school-yard football days.