Thanks for the feedback guys. AF Hunter, your blue lines are pretty much of the creek beds, there are so many creek bed (both wet and dry) running thru this place, one reason I have not keyed on the pond too much. jmbuckhunter, I agree with your pinch points, in fact I already have a stand hung where your second yellow dot is located, which should produce. kwilson, there are tons of mature oaks on the property, so many in fact that I think it would be hard to key in a specific spot. I normaly key on trails and pinch points between bedding areas and feeding locations. On this property with no real crop field and food being spread out, I think I am going to have to just key on the bedding location (which I have pretty well nailed down) and hunt stands that will get them as they are coming to and from them. Again, thanks for all the feedback it gives me some ideas to explore.