PA - the problem with PA has and always will be the hunters themselves. The worst thing the GC did was listen to them. Gary Alt listened to them hollar "we want to see more deer" and he made the necessary changes to make that happen. Then it was "we want to see more bucks and better antlers" so he gave them the means to get what they want. In order to have that they have to reduce deer numbers, period. Does being the first to be harvested. Now they gripe that they aren't seeing deer numbers "like they used to". The problem is that "like they used to" was wrong. I grew up hunting PA and it was not uncommon to see 75 deer a day, and better than 80% of the buck harvest were young bucks less than 2 yrs old. Years and years of overgrazing, overforaging, etc have decimated the nutritional plants in some areas of PA. So essentially these deer are eating lettuce and poor quality lettuce at that. So here we have the GC of today not knowing where to begin to change this and afraid to do anything for fear of being sued and afraid not to.