thanks for the replies guys... i tried the cranking down..it didnt help...so i went back up( id only turned it up two turns )...as far as i know nothing has changed concerning my rest ...i did think that perhaps my sights got bumped somehow and it changed my windage(?) ...i dont know for sure how to change that so i am going to run my bow by the proshop where i got it from and have them take a look at it tomorrow sometime....they told me i had lifetime tuning with them when i purchased it...so i guess ill take em up on it ...i still havent figured out how my pins worked loose enough to float around to begin with...i swear i' ve got gremlins in this house [:-]