Sorry Mo, Back on topic. 4 1/8 is great for deductions, Killed a big 10 in MI back in the 80's that had over 140" of bone on its head, had about a 2" differnce in beam length and just about a 2" differnce on every tine on its head, jumping from one side to the other, lostaround 20'' on him, still a great buck , just didn't score for crap.