Thanks for all the comments and suggestions. I sent Knight an email to see what they would reccommend. The NE460 that I have are .503 and they do load very easy. I have only ever shot Sabots and I thought they would load easier from what I have read. I am not sure if they will fall off the powder if I shake it but I will try that. I was going to order some from the Bull shop but I went to Japan and when I got back and around to ordering them he was not accepting orders any more. I am trying to work up a load to go elk hunting the first of Oct so that leaves the Bull shop out.