And I strongly agree with mustad also as I have (with the help of chapters) trained many of my own dogs. Right now have a 3 yr old to which I let mature and is now ready. While I mainly trained basic obedience for the past 3 yrs and yes did hunt her - she has progressed to a maturity level I felt she was ready for some more intense training.

I after all am just a hunter who requires good manners from my dogs. Could care less about titles or other doggy games.

In the matter of 3 weeks we havewell on her way withher steadiness program, (Steady to flush, wing, shot and fall) got a good handle on her duck search capabilites as she is expanding each time sent and is now trained to deliver anything to hand quietly with confidence and enthusiasim.

JW