phase3d, Sorry I did not get back to you, I have been busy and not on the site. The chains are definately neccassary where I live. I run untill I can go no more and then put them on. I deal with very steep trails and icy conditions with very drysnowso most of the time they are needed even with only a couple inches of snow. The other thing is that going up is easier than coming down. The first time I put them on was to go down a hill. I still slid a lot even with the chains. Where the picture is taken does not require the chains, but where I had been did.

Suregrip, thanks for the info. The gun rack was originally in my truck and I had to make a quick change becuase the one I picked up a couple days before the season did not work.