Here is something I've been doing for years with pretty good results. I have a persimmon tree in the front yard. When they start dropping I start picking them up. I will place about 20 of these in a zip lock bag and smash them all up. Then I have one of those plastic totes that I keep my hunting clothes, hat, calls, and safety belt in. I then take that bag of persimmons and I open the top of it and throw it in the tote. It will work all season long. When they start to fermint it makes it even better.