i go to my father and fling arrows at em. my bow is right at 69 lbs. i hit this big old boy today right in the shoulnders with a judo tip from my tree stand. wich is about 25 feet uo and he was about 15 yards away. and that da** thing back his way back into his hole with my arrow stickin right in him!!! its alot of fun to hunt small game. try black brids. thats a blast!!!