The main deal behind P&Y's 65% rule was to provide 'a clear and demonstrable difference' between compounds and crossbows. That clear and demonstrable difference has been erased, at the overwhelming insistence of bowhunters. If you go back through bowhunting history, back to 1970, and analyze bowhunter success rates, you see a 4-6 point jump every few years. Each of those jumps, every single one, coincides perfectly with a new advance in compound technology.
Now, the technology is so good that there is no statistical difference between bowhunter succes rates and crossbow hunter success rates. So, if allowing the crossbow is going to cut your season, beware the next advance in compound technology. It will put compounds over the top and will be more of a threat to your season than the crossbow would be.
very good thought process there Arthur P
Oddly, I never see a whole lot of comments about what we've got being darn well good enough and encouraging manufacturers to put on the brakes.
Money is the reason behind it all. Without continual additions to equipment, marketing stalls, sales stall ..... heck even Fred Bear knew this and that was why he pushed so hard to be a " two season hunter "
that doesn't make it good, bad, ugly etc, its just the way it is
I've taken a whole lot of grief over the years on this forum because of warning about the runaway train we've been riding and where technology is taking us. With many states reviewing crossbows' legal status and allowing their unrestricted use in their archery seasons, I find my long held stance to be finally and fully vindicated
Here is where I've come. I hunted compound for 12-14 years and hated crossbows. I semi-switched to a recurve/longbow over the past 5 years and between that and being challenged on interenet forums to PROVE why I disliked crossbows ...... I realized they truly are just another close range hunting bow.
Arthur I'm with you on stopping technology BUT only when it becomes a negative to bowhunting.
Can you honestly say that all the technology is BAD for bowhunting right now and if so, why and how ?
I see it that we're losing hunters because the quality of the experience and the current direction of the deer managment plan is driving people away. Lets make that experience WORSE and drive MORE away huh?
You might BELIEVE that, but its only your opinion. I think its just the nature of the world, losing contact with our hunting heritages. Many reasons- quality hunting isn't one of them because we've got the best hunting EVER as an overall view. Plus, at no time EVER have crossbows made anything worse.
Matt / PA I'd say your management plan maight be to take the pressure off the deer during peak breeding?
Give us an honest increased opportunity, not an imaginary one by simply including a weapon that doesn't belong or work here.
YOUR opinion it doesn't belong or work - your opinion, you have nothing to back it don't forget that
OF course that's all just educated speculation and I'm the only one not allowed to speculate on what will happen here. My arguments are silly and unfounded as analyzed by hundreds and thousands of miles away.
sigh
Matt / PAyou have fears, I understand that but you HAVE to reason them and base them in fact and if you can't, its nothing more than the monster in your kids closet at night. That monster isn't there, its not real, but the FEAR is until you convince the kid that its not using fact and reasoning.
Your monster in the closet is the crossbow, I'm trying to turn the lights on and open the door to SHOW you its not real and my facts are looking at all the other states and how crossbows have impacted them. Its all we have, its the template to look at and its not what you think it is.
They are both held and aimed the same (But the crossbow actuallyhas the advantage of a good scope) they can both be ready to go all day long with no need to draw or hold in the presence of game
compounds are not drawn in the presence of game either - thats P&Y scare tactics that went away with high letoff compounds
You can THINK you have me painted in to a corner BD but you shouldknow after too many years here that youknow your right, Iknow I'm right and neither of us is EVER gonna change that no matter what we say to each other. The difference is that I LIVE HERE.
So you might as well quit all the fancy quote quote quote this state that state crap because I know what I believe is right for THIS state just like you do so it's a stalemate with us two.........it always has been.
you are wrong, people DO change - I use to HATE crossbows, I use to be pro-abortion, many people change .... and your own fellow statesmen are changing it. WHY are they changing is what you have to ask yourself and get outside the box and figure out WHY.
when you do that, when you gather all the facts THEN you can make your decision. When you've done that, you can also debate the issue with facts and reasons. That you cannot do that right now proves you believe in something that is baseless in fact.
All they need to do now to participate is pick up a regular compound, recurve or other approved bow
gads more P&Y rhetoric - all the compounders COULD pick up a trad bow too, but they didn't and never wanted to, they wanted easier, faster and better. YOU wanted all that at one time too Matt, only recently going trad yourself.
We're gonnaMOVE hunters into the archery season, kill more bucks in the archery season with an easier to use weapon and then we're all gonan be crying in our cereal bowls the morning of Oct 29th 2011 when we are done archery hunting for the year.
crying because your tags are filled ?
Matt / PA
look at the numbers you posted - crossbows DID NOT being in tens of thousands of bowhunters from gun season in my state of Arkansas, exaclty OPPOSITE of what you fear !!
What about the P&Y club Duane? If it wasn't for them chances are we wouldn't have the rights we do today as bow hunters. They have fought major battles for us to do what we've been doing for many years. They are our biggest protectors of bow hunting and all you can do is shove your dirty hands down there throat and **** about them. Talk about greedy!!!![:@] Keep biting the hand that feeds ya!! Thats real smooth man!!
I can blast the P&Y club all I want to. They are anti-hunting as far as I'm concerned with their anti-crossbow zealoit attitudes. They are dividers, not representatives of anything but their own precious concerns, the epitomy of selfish IMO. At one time they had their purpose but today, they are on the outside looking in. They have failed, factions have splintered off, the club has torn itsself apart in previous years. I've read much about it, I don't like the taste it left either. Their anti-crossbow stance WILL change, they WILL accept them eventually or they will die as an organization. Too many people have realized the idiocy of that particular pet peave stance over the last decade.
IMO
buckeye hows the quality of hunting in Ohio with the evil crossbows out there ?
GMMAT
Facts and Proof - can you give me ANY that says don't allow crossbows ? ANYTHING AT ALL EXCEPT OPINION ?