I generally like to use short, soft doe bleats in the early season, till up to about the end of October I' ll switch to the grunt call. Sounds like if you' re not getting any response from deer that you can see, it' s possible your not calling loud enough for them to hear you. There' s a good CD you can get that plays real deer making calls that might help you. I believe the link is www.whitetailtalk.com