Agreed Schultzy. Here in IL. they seem to be anyway. I've been glassing hard the last two weeks and this is the first year that I've been disappointed. I have yet to see one that makes me say " My my would you look at that!" We had some of the worst flooding here in over 150 yrs. Our crops our in terrible shape and corn fields are almost non-existent. Farmers gave up on corn and decided to plant late beans. This is really killing our antler growth. I've only seen 3 bucks that will push 150" when done. Usually I've seen 3-4 booners by now. Not good, not good.