Very interesting discussion here with some intermixed statements. First of all, the actual quality of glass probably resides with the Japanese, ergo, the Nikon. The quality of the scope in general resides with the Zeiss. I am really extremely fascinated with the new rapid Z reticles being unreal. In fact, I am getting a Z-800 conquest 4.5-14 scopes. I realize I can shoot further than 800 yards but to do so requires tremendous rifles and they are just too expensive for me. At 800 yards I can shoot very effectivelywith my 30-378 expecially with the Zeiss scope mentioned. I have Leopold, Zeiss, Bushnell and Nikon scopes. All function well but the Zeiss allows more light passage for certain. Probably Zeiss pales in relationship to Schmidt&Bender and Nightforce but their cost and size is ridiculous for most of us.

bob chronister