Thanks to all for the advice -- Redline, I just happen to havethe Gold Dot bulletsand will try these first. I may also try the factory "Leverlution" ammo as weel to see which is grouping best. I figure because I have been using this rifle for hunting in areas where the clear shot is not far (swamps, thick oak flats, etc.) that I need not be concerend with 200 yard performance !! I have been using Remington Express for a few years because that is the only ammo I could find locally and regualrly.It has done a good job but the velocity must be down there somewhat and the groups are about 3 MOA. I bought some factory ammmo from a small ammo maker in Georgia. These were a tad hotter and used the Hornady flat nose. The groups were much, much better at within 2 MOA. I sighted this in at 75 yards, dead on with the Remington stuff. At 125 it has a pretty substational drop.About 125-150isas far as my eyesight will let me feel good about open sights.I know the 444 is not intended to be a "flat shooter", but I'd like a bit more muzzle velocity if I can keep the pressures safe and the groups are good.

Anyway, thanks to all for the advice.