Yeah, you're right there, Moon. My Emax ate servings til I got Boo's strings, but was still a bear to cock and blew through deer like they weren't there. The Ecet is somewhat better, but still alot of bow. I ordered a Phoenix which the rail is labeled and just found out this spring it's actually an Ecet. Like it too much to go down a notch now, but asm willing to bet the Phoenix is perfect. Shot Mikes some and really liked the cocking ease of it. What I really like about the Excals is I can just literally throw them in the bed of the truck and go hunting. I for one don't mind the limb width and have not had a problem w/ them and ground blinds, but you do have to keep an eye on limb clearance. Everywhere, lol.