Really do not know what people are arguing about.....160" in my area is where the bucks get scarce. I have seen(w/ my eyes and/or trail cam) 3 deer in 8 years of hunting that would push or break the magical 180 mark...and I have spent a ton of time in the woods in and out of the season. The biggest shed I have found (out of about 80 total in that time) was half of a 150 class eight point....in other words, the big ones are not that common. Now for the confession: I have seen only one 160+ deer in the last three years in my area - it measured 161.