Dave, yes the " they" is saunders. It was advertised in a recent bowhunting magazine I bought. Don' t recall the model name, but it doesn' t suprise me that they don' t yet have it on their website. Maybe one day manufactures will learn people actually do use the net for looking stuff up

PA, I might be up to try one of those out. Do you know of a link or where I can see what they heck they are first so I can visualize its application in my situation? Did you not like them? Anything we should know about them?