Thanks for the help. I guess I had my head up my rear because I started trying it again today from square one. Reset center shot, checked rest timing, cam/idler timing, everything. Well, to say the least, my bow is shooting better than ever. just 1 adjustment on my nok, about 3 on my rest and it was time to sight in. I had a 1/8" high and 1/8" left(rh shooter). I backed out to 15 yards and it was bullets. Tried 20 and it was bullets. Sometimes we just need to go back to the beginning and start over I guess. The real kicker was when I was sighting in, I ended up with a Robin. That makes 2 and it is starting to get expensive. Anyway, thanks agin for the reality check. Chris