White-raven, I am a BTR Scorer for the very reasons many are fed up with B&C or P&Y, they want to deduct from a rack what nature put there. BTR scores rack only, not air for the official score. Who cares about the Zaft buck , any of us would be very glad to have the deer on our wall. If you know the right people your deer can be scored high on B&C or P&Y, I have been insulted enough by their scorers but I paid for my training class and passed the test to score for BTR and yes all of these organizations is about money, the world is about money that is what has destroyed much of the deer hunting areas we once held secret.[8D]