Well I think that is what Matt and I are trying to convey to blackstick. I am with you, I would not turn that particular down that far but that is just me and most probably can't afford to go out and buy a second bow.

As far as the judging distance goes, I agree 100%. I am still new to archery and have been shooting in the novice class and have been since I started. Last weekend I decided to shoot the hunter class. I am not blaming my my score totally on misjudging my yardage but it did have alot to do with it. Like I said before, I shot about 30 points higher on the known yardage round. It was just a local shoot so I wrote the yardages down I shot in the unknown to see how I was judging and some were off as much as 5 yards. That being said I know I have to get better at the yardage thing as well as making good shots.

Am I going to try and shoot at a highh competitive level, no,I really don't have the time to invest in that. I go to local shoots, have gone to 1 asa shoot and plan on more and I did qualify for the state championship in the novice class and plan on shooting that. I hope I do well but at the end of the day I know that is totally up to me. I really dont think I wil ever move to an open class. I will stick to the novice class until after the classic and then move to hunter class. This is really about the hunting aspect of it for me so I shoot my hunting rig, arrows and all. I probably will never put a scope on my bow.

Anyways, I appreciate all the help anyone can give. I am still a rookie at this so I know I might sound a bit stupid at times. I just wanted to let blackstick know that asa did have rules and what they were so he would know in the future and didn't go up an asa shoot and expect to be able to shoot 342fps.

TFOX, If you have any tips on judging yardage that would be great. I have a method and it seems to work pretty well for me out to 30 but past that I just ain't no good. I think part of what got me at the last shoot was tight lanes, angled shots and humps in the lane, branches and what not. Any help would be awesome.