Question for ya Joe. I never once said they are bad heads but I did say I would never shoot them for the reasons I listed earlier. I've never shot them but I've got friends who've tried them, these friends are good bow hunters who know there equipment. I figured I'd mention that so people wouldn't think they were just any dumb ass. Some of the people on here who've used them have said the same exact things that friends of mine have said and them were and are the same reasons I wouldn't shoot them. Like I said earlier, to many screws (1 is to many for me), o rings, bands, etc for my liking. I knew that from day one when I looked at them the 1st time that I didn't care much for them from the reasons I just listed. I never said they were bad heads but there just not what I would like to carry in my quiver whether I'm shooting a compound or recurve. I've got reasons for not shooting allot of other broad heads also but I don't get jumped as bad as I do from some of the people who shoot these Rage heads. Was I wrong? I figure I can ask you that and get an honest answer from you being we get along good. I won't knock others for shooting them. I could really care less what people use.