Greg great way to put it, Ialso have been guilty of useing the numbers to often!! I just wanted to get guys thinking!!!! I belive we put to much intonumbers at times. Todd and I hunted a farm in Illinois and I passed 13 bucks in one year because they were young bucks and 3 of them would have been bigger than any I have shot in my lifetime, regret alittle but at the time I knew there were 3 studs on the property and numbers played a big part in my passing those bucks. I worked out for the best because I ended up shooting my biggest buck across the state of Illinois later that year. I just wish we didn't put so much on numbers and more on maturity of a buck for the new hunters that come on and read the threads.. Walt