I use a Summit Openshot. 14#s... half the price of the lone wolf... its 2#s heavier, but the specs are comparable otherwise. Very nice to carry in and out at that weight.... and no side bars to smack a limb on. Climbing with it is different to be sure... but I can get up and down trees faster with it than a stand/sit because I can use every inch of a my six foot height to my advantage.